Revision P PCV Failed – 06F129101P

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Underneath the valve cover – the gasket is the black rubber going around the edges

After a year and a half under APR Stage 1, the newest pcv revision finally succumbed. It seems that these things are still not bulletproof.

I was doing a general engine inspection when I noticed that there was oil dripping from the rear of the engine. A closer inspection led me to find that the valve cover gasket was leaking oil. I did not suspect PCV failure right away because normally you would also have oil leaking out of the filler cap. I had oil in the spark plug wells and all over the coils. When the valve cover gasket goes on these motors, the oil tends to leak right into the plug well. I checked the torque on the valve cover bolts and some were very loose so I figured that might have contributed to the oil leaking. On a hunch, I checked the PCV and the valve was gone. The one way valve did not function anymore. Once the one way valve failed, boost pressure pressurized the crankcase and the valve gasket was the path of least resistance.

The PCV failure cost me one coil, one valve cover gasket and a new front pcv valve. I also chose to replace the plugs at the same time since everything was soaked in oil. The coil was still functioning but oil had entered the insulating sleeve. Combined with the heat, it split the rubber sleeve.

I hope the P revision failure was more of a fluke than anything, I really would like to stay on the stock units.

PCV and Intake Manifold Motor – Volkswagen Warranty Letters

I finally got around to uploading the warranty extension letters that Volkswagen sent out regarding the pcv and the intake manifold motor. These letters were (or are still) being sent out to owners to inform them that the warranty on these parts has been extended to 120,000 miles or 10 years. If you have replaced any of the affected parts from you own pocket, Volkswagen will reimburse you for the costs, provided you have all the receipts still.For more information on the pcv valve, check out my previous post:PCV Valve & Breather TubePCV and Intake Manifold Warranty Extension

PCV and Intake Manifold Motor Warranty Extension

PCV Valve and Intake Manifold Motor Warranty Extension

06F129101P Front Detail

I recently received a letter from Volkswagen of America stating that the warranty for the pcv valve and intake manifold motor has been extended to 10 years/120,000 miles. You will also be eligible for reimbursement if you paid for repairs on any of these parts. Signs of pcv failure may include loss of boost pressure, poor idling and sometimes oil being pushed out of the oil cap. Intake manifold failure usually results in poor cold starting and sluggish low end performance. Either case can also cause the check engine light to come on.

PCV Valve

Here a Golfmkv.com link to common 2.0T FSI issues.

I’ll upload the document as soon as I can scan it in. Here we go.

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“G” Revision PCV Valve Internals

I opened up my non-functional revision G pcv valve and took a few pictures, enjoy.

Revision G Check Valve - This one is broken

Revision G Diaphragm and Spring

Revision G PCV Internals

Revised OEM PCV and Crankcase Breather Tube

06F129101P Front Detail

In my current quest to return some parts back to OEM spec, I’ve recently purchased the latest revision PCV components.  The latest revision PCV valve is “P” with the part number 06F129101P.  There is also another revision of the rear breather tube, part number 06F103215B.  The valves in the latest revisions seem much stronger compared to my old “G” revision.  The check valves are now spring loaded instead of free moving.  I don’t know when they switched to the spring loaded valves because I completely skipped over the 2 or 3 other revisions.

06F129101P Valve Detail

If you’re wondering why I went back to stock, I wanted to remove the catchcan I’ve been running.  An intake manifold teardown by a forum member  revealed that catch cans do little to aid in preventing the intake valve deposits inherent to direct injection engines.  I have also been thinking about the lack of intake vacuum working on the crankcase.  In the catch can setups, vacuum is sourced from intake air moving over the rear breather tube exit.  I think it is a max of 3″ of mercury according to BSH and this occurs in the higher rpms under boost.  At lower rpms, actual vacuum may be much lower.  Too little flow or stagnant flow through the valve cover may allow the blow-by gasses to start forming deposits.  I’ve noticed a little grime building up around the oil cap area, despite the regular oil changes.  The accumulation of these blow by gasses can contaminate oil and deteriorate it much faster as well.  Another side effect of routing all gasses through the rear breather tube seems to be, ironically, more oil in the charge pipes.  If a recirculation type catch can does not catch all the vapors, the rest end up condensing in charge pipes and intercooler.  The stock system sends them directly to the intake manifold to be burned off.  The way the stock system works, it only reroutes vapors through the charge piping and intercooler under boost.  When I installed my throttle pipe, a good amount of oil came pouring out of the pipes.

06F103215B Check Valve Detail

Now oil vapor in the in the intake charge is detrimental to performance.  This is where a catch can does help.  Oil vapor can effectively reduce the octane level of the intake charge and lead to more knock, which would then decrease performance.  I haven’t noticed a performance difference since I switched back to the stock system but then again, my car isn’t exactly a horsepower monster.  It is a compromise situation but after many miles of thought, I’d rather have the stock system deal with the evacuation of the crankcase gasses.  The stock pcv system flows a lot and I don’t think some of the catch cans flow enough.

06F129101P Rear Detail

The stock pcv valves have not been models of reliability, which is one of the reasons catch catch cans have sold so well. Modified and stock cars alike can blow through them.  These newer parts are now several revisions deep and they seem to be much more robust pieces.  The rear check valve in the breather tube looks much better.  The front pcv check valves have a more positive engagement compared to the “G” revision I compared it to.  I guess only time will tell!

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Revised OEM PCV and Breather Tube Part Numbers

06F129101P Front PCV Valve Detail

The 2.0T FSI’s pcv system has gone through several revision changes.  Earlier valves failed rather easily, causing boost pressure to creep into the crankcase.  Checkvalves would leak and pressure diaphragms would rip.  Symptoms include oil coming out of the valve cover gaskets or oil cap, reduced gas mileage and power or increased oil consumption.  An unsteady idle is another symptom and severe cases will cause a code to be set.  This latest one seems to be a bit more robust than previous versions.  The check valves are spring loaded now instead of free floating for more positive engagement.  If you want to stay stock here are the latest part numbers.

The latest pcv system part numbers are 06F129101P for the front pcv valve and 06F103215B for the rear breather tube with check valve.  The 06F129101P part number only works on rear breather tubes that have a built in check valve.  Certain VIN’s / model years have breather tubes that do not have rear check valves.  The only way to be sure it to pull it off and check for the valve.  Here’s some excellent information for replacing the PCV valve and breather tube.  The link also shows the Eurojet check valve solution so just ignore it if you are not going that route.

06F103215B Rear Breather Tube with Check Valve

Drain Your Catch Can

I’m seeing a few searches for how to drain the BSH catch can. The absolute easiest way to do it is to take the can out of the engine bay itself.  Yes that means getting the tools out and wrenching in the engine bay for a few minutes, but it’s less messy.  We don’t want that crud draining in your engine bay do we?

Just remove the hose clamps and undo the bracket.  Then drain into your favorite container.

If you have one with a dipstick, or a method of accessing the can from the top, I’ve read of other people using a big syringe to siphon out the contents.

I don’t know how the other catch cans are designed but they all pretty much work the same way.  There’s limited space in that area of the MKV engine bay and it’s just easier to pull the thing out.  *that’s what she said* Oh Snap!

Simota Catch Can

If you’ve followed along, I’ve had the BSH Stage 2 kit for awhile now.  However, the first generation catch can was, for lack of nice words, pretty damn ugly.  Plastic fittings, small size, ghetto rigged filtration etc., etc.  It worked, but damn that thing was hit with the ugly stick.  Like beat with it.  I’ve also wondered whether the filtration medium was truly getting everything.  The newer generation cans have welded fittings and a mesh screen separation medium now.

This leads to me finding a used Simota catch can on the golfmkv forum.  Only 35 bucks!  These things aren’t too expensive though, I think around 60 new, give or take shipping.  It’s solidly built and has an internal separator but the see through window sucks.  It’s made of crappy plastic that you can’t see through.  I made a bracket to mate it to the BSH bracket and voila!  More awesome catch can.  I had to buy a few brass elbows and get creative with the hose routing, but I think it’ll hold up fine.  Testing begins now.  Once I’m sure the whole setup won’t self destruct itself, I’ll finish up the L-hoses with better hosing.

Here’s a few more pictures:

The old can for comparison:

EuroJet PCV Fix

EJ PCV Fix

This is the Eurojet PCV solution.  It is essentially two pieces of silicon with a machined aluminum check valve.  The check valve ensures that boost does not leak out of the intake manifold and into the crank case.  It also supplements the stock check valve.  It does what it needs to without any frills.  However, the flow of the check valve is not really known.  The stock pcv valve goes from open to closed with hardly any pressure.  Eurojet’s valve is stiffer.  I’m not saying that this is necessarily a problem but it is different from the oem valve’s operation.  For those who want a pcv fix that allows the pcv to function as intended (route crankcase vapors to the intake under vacuum) this is the fix.  Volkswagen has released newer, updated revisions of the oem pcv valve but failures can still occur under higher than stock boost levels.

I still feel that the newer catch can solutions are still your best bet for fixing boost leaks involving the pcv system.  It’s a little more maintenance (having to empty the can out) but it helps keep the intake tract a little cleaner.

BSH Stage II PCV Fix

PCV PlateVW has managed to create a rather unreliable pcv system on this engine.  They typically fail on chipped cars but failure is common enough on stock cars that  VW has a TSB out for it.

This part replaces the VW front pcv system completely and limits the amount of oil going through the intake manifold.  Why limit oil ingestion?  The biggest reason is that with direct injection, no fuel washes over the intake valves to clean off any oil.  Oil eventually just builds up on the intake valves and causes poor airflow and misfires.  This applies to many direct injection engines.  The pcv system is now routed through a catch can as well, separating fuel, oil and water vapors from the pcv tract.

Why is it good for your engine?  Basically it keeps your intake valves cleaner, removes vapors that can possibly dilute the oil and prevents them from reaching the combustion chamber.

There are numerous manufacturers coming out with pcv catch can systems for the FSI engine.  Eurojet has a very nice one coming out, as well as Forge.  You can’t go wrong with any company, the car just needs one.  I’m looking at the Eurojet one myself, their milled can just looks too sweet.

Heres the BSH Cancan.  This is the first generation one and it no longer looks like this.  It now has a metal side fitting and integrated drain valve.

They have a Stage I system which provides assurance against PCV failures and separates the intake valves from the oil vapors.  However, oil vapors and what not are still flying through the pcv system.  I’d still recommend the stage II if you have the cash.

1/20/2010 Update:

Several companies now also sell a vent-to-atmosphere setup or VTA.  This removes the recirculation completely, but vents out into the open air.  The can has a small filter opening at the top and vapors vent out here.  It can smell if you’re idling around and may leave a small area of condensation around the can.  It’s not for everybody and is definitely not emissions legal.  There is also a debate as to whether or not the engine performs better with vacuum drawing vapors out of the valve cover and crankcase.  Personally, the smell and mess it makes in the engine bay is not worth it.

5/25/2011

As these cans put on the miles, I can tell you that they are not the end all fix to the carbon buildup problems that direct injection engines have.  They may in fact make little difference to the amount of deposits.  However, they do keep oil out of the intake tract and prevent some of it from being burned in the combustion chamber.  They also replace the failure prone stock pcv valve.